What is the reason behind the lengthy delay in being able to retrieve impounded assets? Seems like this may discourage players from keeping all of their items in their home citadel. I know I'd be pretty miffed if I found out that my stuff was all tied up for 20 days while I wait for it to be delivered. You've already just lost your citadel, and now you can't even use your assets to rat/PvP/whatever to blow off steam.

Are there any plans to improve on the docking radius of stations to eliminate "kick" stations (station with very small dock radius such that shortly after undocking you are unable to dock again)? With these changes it's inevitable that someone's stuff is going to end up in a kick station in low or nullsec. It's not an insurmountable issue, but it'll make logistics out of an "impound station" a lot harder for people if that station is a kick, especially if its in a high traffic system. Seems a bit like kicking someone who's already down since they not only have to wait for the items, pay for them, but also then move them out of that station somehow.

One thing I have not been able to find about citadels: How and what happens when you take them down. I don't mean destroy, I mean off-line, unanchor and scoop. It does not seem to be well covered in any blog or thread. (Just that during unanchoring, it is vulnerable).

What are the steps I would go through as the owner to take down my citadel?

How long does it take? Is the time different for different size structures, or different parts of space?

What happens to the modules, services, and rigs?

What happens to corp and player assets still in the citadel?

What happens to items on the market?

What happens to jobs in progress or in the queue?

wait what, tethering is for normal stations as well?
i thought it was citadel only?

wishlist, please make it so mediums can hold 1 or 2 capitals other than orca , rorqual.
Not every alliance got hundreds of billions of isk in their wallets.

So when you undock, your are automaticly tethered?

If this is the case what happened to the "if you are scrammed you cannot dock to stop docking games?"

This is the way it works now and the way it should remain. Personally I think there should be a way to limit destroying your own stuff during an eviction.

Just a quick question concerning what is known as the pos "r@pe cage" for wormhole space evictions...

During a eviction, it is common practice to put warp disruption bubbles around pos to prevent the residents from escaping. Before this can happen, the defences must be incapacitated so that the bubbles don't get destroyed. After this is done and the bubbles are up, the long process of reinforcing the pos can begin.

Since guns are going to be attached to the citadel, I'm assuming that the guns will become incapacitated once the citadel is reinforced. This means that both guns and the citadel will be attacked at the same time, as opposed to the current system...

So my question is, will it take more or less time to erect a "r@pe cage" around a citadel, than it would around a POS?

Informative as always Kenneth, Thanks... By "much larger" I assume you mean more hit points than the pos shields (before RF) and guns combined.

On the self destruct thing, do you know if citadel mooring/tethering feature will be disabled as soon at you start self destructing?

Can medium citadels get ability to store limited, and small number of capitals.
Currently you can leave in a small tower capital floating under a forcefield , this will probably be not possible in citadels.

This gets us from position where investing 100 mil in a small tower allows you to keep somewhere a capital "safe" to a position , that you can do the same investing a 7bil in a large citadel.

This will kill smaller groups operations.

Giving Medium citadel ability to dock 1-2 capitals could ease small corporations, including WH ones.
This ships can be even visible on the citadel structure , so every one will know what ships are docked, or if he can dock another.

CCP change from 100mil to 7bil investment , just to keep 1 capital safe is quite big change.

For big alliances ability to dock 1-2 capitals to medium citadel will not change much.

Well last dev post in any of them WAS some months ago.

Any idea when we might hear any more thoughts on specialized structures?
Hopefully you are thinking where to go next before citadels launch, so you can roll new stuff out without too much delay
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I am wondering why you are treating W-space ENTIRELY differently from other areas of space where asset safety is concerned.
It really isn't fair to let every single other area recover the entirety of their personal assets while people in W-space lose EVERYTHING. What makes W-space so special that it makes you lose everything?
Certainly you can add some sort of asset recovery system that still results in some danger whether it exposes you, or requires you to plop a new structure. At the same time, 100% of assets back seems surprisingly generous for deep null



Because it means you can't get out of your ship if you want it to remain safe.

And can get blown up too!!

What happens if a pilot was logged off in an XL citadel in a Titan and the citadel was blown up with the pilot still in it?

Did your corpse and the Titan get hauled away by interbus? or do you log in where the citadel was...

Maybe docking at this stage isn't as safe as you think.

Personally id like to See Larges and Extra Larges take the place of outposts and tie into Perma sov with the option of tearing them down if you are the owner / sov holder. It's a lot of isk to throw away for someones killmail.

Ok then maybe flip it around, what makes BFE nullsec special that it DOES save all your **** from being blown up?
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Edit: So the more I think about it, the more I think Small citadels should be a thing in order to make up for smaller sized POSes being removed. Something that goes up and comes down quick (both with the unanchor button and manually with guns) for those quick staging area and tiny corp things.

Also, it might not be a bad idea to have a medium rig that adds a captial ship maintenance array (with a limited capacity) so smaller groups that do have capitals can replace their POSes without incurring the ton of extra expense a Large requires. Alternatively add a way to tether unmanned ships (I prefer the former since it leaves less crap floating in space, though it is more limited). Either way, something to mitigate the loss of the leave your capitals floating in the POS shield gameplay that's going to be lost.

My own experience in wormholes is that nearly all capital assets end up floating in space for lack of somewhere to put it, and if you are stuck using a medium, that's still a problem since there's usually a hefty need to reship, so you can't just have someone sitting in the capital ships.

My concern is that the functionality provided by an XL-SMA (or even starbase forcefields) hasn't be replicated in this proposal, beyond the gold plated XL-Citadel option.

This is a major change to anyone who wants to be able to 'stretch their legs' for short periods outside a steel coffin. Is this intended?

How close can one light a cyno to a citadel?

Yes, in fact they mentioned how "to make a profit" from the changes.

If you check the blog some parts are cheaper to make now and some other cheaper after the changes.

Is it still the case that Citadels do not show up in the overview from range (ie. not being on grid) and instead in the probe scanner?

What happens to member assets if a wormhole citadel is unanchored?

Having all citadel showing up as soon as you entered a system or, worse, a wormhole is really not for the best.

In my opinion only those where you have docking right should show up, the rest should be at best anomalies you should be able to probe.

CCP is scared of people hiding citadels in safe spot, I got that, but with grid size increase and directional scanner, we should be able to prevent that

No asset safety in wormhole.

My point was they shouldn't be 100% like an anomaly, but they should need probing.

Am I the only one that sees a problem with this? It has all of the downside of a personal hangar but its much much larger. A single rouge director could trash all stored ships much more rapidly than is presently possible. This is probably not the best plan if we want wormhole space to be a healthy active area.

You cant trash an SMAs contents. The timer is not really relevant as reversing or halting an unanchor is not an option. Also we should assume that the process starts after the CEO logs for the night.

The risk for wormhole pilots is mych higher than for any other pilots in the game. This concept makes running a wormhole corp harder not easier as adding directors to share the load would be a mistake.

Actually the unanchoring timer has not been stated anywhere, we suppose it's 24 hours like the anchoring, but no dev or dev blog stated how much time to unanchor a citadel.

I really don't like how citadels are shaping up for WH:
- you cannot haul a large one into an orca, forcing you to build a large from a medium one inside the wormhole
- all citadels will show up in the anomalies overview, even in wormholes
- there's no asset safety, of any kind, in wormholes

All these "problems" with no real reward for risking so much

The problem is when pos are going to be removed like they said.

Seems we all have some doubts or unclear part about the system, but I don't see a dev posting in this thread since it's creation, so far it's us talking philosophy

Been wondering. When the new small structures eventually come around for development, will the modular idea still be on the table for those? That sounded really cool.

For clarity, I presume this includes Jump-Freighters as well?

I would very much like to see that all goods present in a Citadel that gets blown up in W-space has a chance to drop as loot.


That said, than you for the condensed write-up on where things stand, really appreciated.

Any updates on the Oberservation arrays?

Will the construction of citadels involve any of the P4 PI products? Also, and I may have asked this before but donGÇÖt recall, once citadels come out will POS be defunked or will POS still be a thing?